So Far Away

We are very lucky these days to be able to flit across the world. I always feel very sympathetic when I consider our ancestors leaving their 'mother country' to come to Australia.

In most cases they would never see their homeland or their family and friends again. How heartwrenching the goodbyes must have been.

The motivations for making the move must have outweighed those negatives. In some cases a family only made the move after the death of parents, and other family members, siblings and their families, or cousins also emigrated.

Of course, in Australia we had some who had the decision made for them, as many were sent out as convicts. One of these was William DROVER, my 3rd half-great uncle.

From "The Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh Scotland), Monday 17 Jan 1831 page 4":

William Drover was charged with murder, in so far as he did, on 4th or 5th November, within a house near the Fireworks, at Govan Colliery, wickely and feloniously assault Isobel Crooks his wife, with his fists or some other weapon unknown ; and did inflict severe bruises on her head, breast and other parts of her body, in consequence of which she died on the 6th November following, having been this cruelly murdered by the prisoner William Drover. He pleaded Not Guilty, and a written defence was handed in, in which it was stated that the prisoner and his wife had been married for twenty-seven years during which they had lived in the greatest harmony; that of late she had unfortunately become addicted to the drinking of spirits, but notwithstanding of this no change had taken place in his conduct towards her; that she frequently, while intoxicated, got severe falls; that on the Thursday preceeding her death, she left home to go to Glasgow, as she said, to the church ; but instead of doing so, she got herself drunk, and on coming home she bolted the door. On leaving his work, he could not get in by the door, but found entrance by a window, when he found her lying on the floor. He put her to bed, and she complained of being unwell, and died on Satruday morning.

After a long trial the Jury found a verdict of culpable homicide; and on Friday morning Drover was sentenced to transportation beyond seas for life.

He was transported aboard the convict transport "The Camden" to New South Wales in 1831, sailing into Port Jackson on 25 July 1831 (1), over 7,800 nautical miles (2) from home.

Whatever the truth of the case, it appears that their eldest son, John, did not hold any blame or malice towards his father, (regarding the death of his mother), as in 5 years he emigrated with his own family, to join his father (1).

John Drover soon after arriving in Australia in 1836 (1)

It is not believed that either of the other children of William and Isobel, (George or Alison), ever came to Australia. 

There are currently 266 known descendants of William and Isobel, 260 of these in Australia. Despite a tragic start, this has led to success in a new land, far away from Bonnie Scotland. 

(1) 'Convict William Drover and His Descendants' (The Early Lasswade Parish Drovers in Australia, compiled by Geoffrey William Drover, Feb 1993, ISBN 0 646 13718 2.
(2) https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-it-take-to-sail-from-Australia-to-the-UK

A Fresh Start for the Drover Family

Charlotte Drover was ill and her doctor told her that she needed to get away from the cold wet climate in Edinburgh. He had diagnosed 'false angina.' This prompted William Steedman to pack up his family and they sailed on the "S.S. Pretorian" for Toronto Canada on 28 July 1906. Queenie, (Charlotte's daughter also Charlotte), held up the ship. She said she was late for the train, but the train waited for her, and the ship waited for her to arrive. (I am sure the rest of the family was with her as she was only 4 1/2).

https://www.gjenvick.com/Passengers/Ships/Pretorian-PassengerLists.html

Many other family members had already made the journey and were living in the eastern parts of Canada, so I am sure that was a major reason for chosing it. The family took up residence at 50 Bellview Avenue in Toronto.

50 Bellview Ave, circa 1909

50 Bellview Ave, circa 1987

Queenie went to school, and William (her father) taught music, mainly the violin and cello. A favourite passtime was making snow angels, and Queenie and Gilbert quite enjoyed living in Canada. Unfortunately, the climate in Toronto did not improve the paroxysms in her chest that Charlotte was suffering, and the doctor told her that she needed to be in a warmer country. 

The whole family, William, Charlotte, Fred, Nettie, Gilbert and Queenie headed back to Liverpool England, where they boarded with a Mrs Grant (although the passenger card says that they were living with a Miss Northcroft in Wallington, Berkshire). They had a friend in South Africa and a friend in Australia, and they didn't know which place to go, so they drew it out of a hat! On the 22 September 1910 they boarded the "S.S. Osterly" heading for Brisbane Australia. 

Even though Charlotte was ill she did all the packing in Canada, and left half a house full of furniture. A woman was employed to sell that furniture and send the money, but of course the money never came.

S.S. Osterley

Queenie said the voyage took six weeks and the everyone was amazed by seeing "Halley's Comet".

 

Taken in 1910 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Halley%27s_Comet_-_May_29_1910.jpg)

The kids on the ship must have had a lovely time, sliding down the bannisters, collecting gum, calling out "The World's come to an end, Mrs McGinty's washed her face", and enjoying cocoa and cheese for supper at night.

On arrival in Brisbane the family took up residence in a house called "Meadowside" on Kelvin Grove Road. This house had been described in an advertisement as being double-story with eight rooms and a splendid position, although subsequent advertisements described 7 rooms and a bathroom. William started advertising for pupils, but he had initially been a part of the orchestra playing at "The Lyceum" for King's Pictures.

"The Brisbane Courier" Mon 6 Mar 1911, p11 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19677062

By 1915 William was advertising for Instrumentalists for the St Andrew's orchestra. William's trade was as a printer, but I can't locate any evidence of him working in that profession, only as a music teacher and having his own orchestra. Aroung 1919 William was able to purchase their own home at 37 Spring Street, South Brisbane, which they named in favour of a special family place in Scotland, "Lasswade".

Charlotte and William lived here until they died, and then the home was taken over by their son, Gilbert and his wife Annie. Despite the warmer, drier weather, Charlotte continued to suffer her 'false angina' and lived to be 75 years old.

They may not have been aware, but they were not the first in the Drover family to come to Australia, although the previous member did not come of his own accord. William's half-great Uncle, also William, was convicted of the murder of his wife and sent to Australia nearly 80 years before. They were also not the last Drover emigrants as another William, William Cuthbertson Drover (Bill) and his wife Dot emigrated to Victoria before 1956 on the "Stratheden".

Footnote: the full transcript of the interview with Queenie is in this blog post.

Drover Family Heirloom

This lovely black glass milk jug was given to me by my Grandmother, Queenie Anderson, but was brought to Australia from Scotland by her mother Charlotte Drover in 1910.

It has no markings and is probably not worth anything in monetary value, but as the family came from Scotland I love the Scottish decoration of the rose and thistle.

Although the Drover family came to Australia in 1910, arriving on the "SS Osterley" on the 22 September, they came via a rather circuitous route. Charlotte Drover suffered from 'false angina' and was told by her doctors in Edinburgh that she needed to get out of Scotland to get relief. 

Charlotte Drover (nee Sutherland)

On the 28 Jul 1906 the family boarded the "Pretorian" and sailed for Toronto, Canada. I think Canada was chosen as there were many others in the family who previously emigrated there. Unfortunately, Charlotte's condition was no better in Canada, and doctors there told her she needed to go somewhere hot and dry, so they came to Brisbane. I don't know whether her condition was any better in Australia, but she lived to be 75, dying on 29 Oct 1937.

Our Aussie Family Christmas Celebrations

The traditions for our family Christmas celebrations started before I was born, with the first for my family happening just after my parents got married. Their wedding was 21 December in 1957 in Brisbane, so their first Christmas was spent at Fingal Heads in Northern NSW, with my Mum's parents and family. This set the scene for many family Christmas celebrations to come, with many spent at Fingal. Of course, being the middle of Summer, Fingal beach was a favourite place to go.

I don't remember my very early Christmas celebrations, but judging by the photos I would have been 9 months old. Uncle Will made a great Santa, even if I wasn't quite so sure about him. It seems that for this particular Christmas Day we were at Aunty Nettie and Uncle Will's house in Queen Street, Redcliffe.

I look a bit worried about Santa, but I am safely in my Mum's arms.

Santa (Uncle Will) giving Aunty Nettie a gift while Des, (their daughter-in-law), looks on.

I am assuming I got an umbrella for Christmas - luckily it was in my favourite Tartan!

The family gathering at Aunty Nettie's, with Aunty Val (pregnant with Peter), Nellie, Bert Carby, Des, ? behind, Auntie Nettie, Uncle Fred, Uncle Gilbert, in the front row, Uncle Paul amusing me, June, Mum. Jacklyn, ?.

This is how I remember many of our Christmas lunches, in Grandma's dining room at Fingal, with aunts, uncles and cousins. 

Mum and Grandma

Grandpa, Uncle Will, Aunty Nettie, Dad, Mum and me on Grandma's lap.

This year I got a baby doll with a feeding bottle, a beach ball, a teddy and a golliwog.

My new toys all lined up.

We lived in Violet Town in Victoria when I was three, and this photo shows the chimney behind the Christmas tree. This house had two rooms with chimneys. Originally the old lady who lived next door told me I was so lucky that my bedroom was in a room that had a chimney as Santa would be able to come right down. Well, I lay in bed terrified, absolutely sure I could see a black boot at the end of red trousers coming down into the fireplace. In the end my parents had to shift my bedroom as I couldn't sleep all night.

This silver foil tree was in our family for many Christmas's to come.

For 5 years we lived in Mt Isa, and most of the time we travelled south to Fingal for the Christmas holidays, but one year, at least, we didn't and had our Christmas day at home.

I decided I would make a treat for my brothers, and made a Santa marionette. For months I saved up my pocket money and used it to buy little gifts, which I individually wrapped. Santa had a hook on his hand so he could pick up the gifts and give them to Steve and Mal.

   

This post was inspired by Maria Northcote of Genies Down Under  in her December 2014 podcast Episode 39: Christmas Stuff for Genies.

Queenie talks about her family

Transcript of an interview conducted by Chris Wright (in italics) with her grandmother, Queenie - Charlotte Sophie Margaret Anderson, about August 1986, at Queen Street, Redcliffe.

Charlotte Sophie Margaret Drover

Can you remember anything about what your life was like in Scotland before you came here (Australia)?

Well all I remember is coming down the road...I went up to say goodbye to two maiden ladies that had a drapery shop, and they gave me a lump of toffee, and Nettie and Fred came looking for me, and I yelled all the way home because I thought I'd dropped my lump of toffee...that was all I remember of Scotland I think.

What about where you lived...Can you remember what the house was like?

Gilmore Place? No, I don't remember what the house was like.

You were born there though, weren't you?

Yes.

Were the other kids born there as well?

Yes, I think so...I couldn't be sure. And dad was a musician of course.

What about...your mother was a teacher before she got married. Did she ever teach after she got married?

Oh no, no they didn't do that years ago. I think I've got some testimonials you can have...of hers...when she went from one place to another.

And do you remember anything about your grandparents?

No...I never saw them.

From Scotland you went over to Canada didn't you?

Yes, but Fred and Dad were over there before us, and I held up the boat...

How did you do that?

I was late for the train, and the train was waiting for me and it was late, and the boat was waiting for us. They waited for people in those days...but not now.

Can you remember anything about the trip to Canada?

No. Not over there...see I was only four and a half when I left there...

And do you know how long you stayed in Canada before you decided to...

Four and a half years...I was nine when I got here. I went to school in Canada. Nettie when to school in the Edinburgh Castle School...underneath the castle...she went to school there.

You went to school in Canada, so whereabouts in Canada did you live?

50 Gilmore (sic) Place in Toronto.

50 Bellview Avenue, Toronto, Drover's Home

And what did your father do while you were in Canada?

He was a musician...yes he had his brass plate out.

He taught students?

Yes, violin and cello.

Was he in any orchestras?

I don't know if he was in any orchestras in Canada...he might have been. Then Mum wasn't well, so the doctor advised to take her to a warmer country, so we came here.

And that was the only reason for coming to Australia?

Yes, we came on the 'Osterley'...it took six weeks...it came to Brisbane and that's why we came to Brisbane.

Osterley

Can you remember anything else about that trip?

Yeah, we were sliding down the bannisters, and I remember all the kids (collecting gum?) calling out the world's come to an end - Mrs McGinty's washed her face. I remember that we used to have cocoa and cheese for supper at night on the boat. 

"Queenie" (probably taken in Canada)

But, I remember Canada a bit...and somebody game me a broken alarm clock and I howled because they wouldn't let me bring it...with me...and I used to go to the school there and I used to dress up in my warm clothes and I used to make angels in the snow. I used to lie down and I put my arms out...and make angels, you see...that was the wings..then you get slowly up, you know. I've got a photo of the front of the house there...and Gilbert..and me... We were quite happy there. She wasn't well and yet she packed all the packing, left half a house full of furniture, and left a woman to sell it and send the money, and she sold it and she never sent the money.

What was wrong with your mother?

Heart failure...and false angina she had.

And they thought that the warmer climate might help her?

Yes, well she died when she was 75, and so did he.

Where did you live when you first came to Brisbane?

Petrie Terrace, Kelvin Grove, I've been all round Kelvin Grove.

So you shifted house a few times?

Yes...we went from Kelvin Grove to Vulture Street and then from Vulture Street to West End. That was the three moves for that. Well I've been fourteen moves since I've been married.

Can you remember when the boat came? What month etc?

Yeah 1910...I don't remember the date...might be August 1910, cause I had my ninth birthday here...I think.

You said before that your parents paid their own way?

Oh yes..

Not Assisted then?

Oh no...we went from Canada to Liverpool and Mum had to board us all...six of us....for a week...before we could get a ship out to Australia and we stayed with a Mrs Grant...and I remember Gilbert having one of those whirly-gigs you know and it goes up in the air and sails away you know...the toys.

And did you go to school while you were on the ship at all?

No...don't remember.

And you would have gone to school once you came to Queensland?

Kelvin Grove School.

How old were you when you finished school?

Fourteen.

Went to work...and I got the sack and went up the country for twelve months...then I came back and went into Finney's. I was at TC Burns first.

Where did you go when you went up country?

Crows Nest...to friends....and I used to go to school up there...I went a few times

And then you were at Finney's?

Finney, Isles & Co. Limited in Brisbane, Queensland, 1921 (State Library of Qld)

I was the apprentice...I was there 'till I got married...Manchester department. I made ?? covers, curtains, blinds, carpets...all that kind of thing...loose covers for upholstered chairs and that. I never finished my apprenticeship.

What about your brothers and sister...who was your oldest brother?

Fred, Harvey, Gilbert George Lyle, Jeanette Katherine, then me...

What did the boys do when you got to Brisbane then? Were they working?

None of them were working...they were walking the street looking for a job, A lady that we knew out here said “Come out, come out. There's plenty of work, no trouble at getting work”...and I don't know what they did. Dad eventually got work, and he taught pupils and he played at the picture show, and played at the picture show and played at the Regent until they got a new organ to come up out of the ground (Wurlitzer) and that was the end of that. And then he was on his own of course, he was a teacher the rest of the time. I don't know what Fred did before, but he was a typewriter mechanic...he used to repair typewriters and he went to Mt Isa, and he was up there twenty-odd years...then they came back to Brisbane...and lived at Sutton's beach.

And who did he marry?

Nellie Biggs...and Nettie and Will got married...Gilbert must've got married after me cause there was 18 months between Nettie and I in getting married, so Gilbert must've got married after me. They had George.

Who did Gilbert marry?

Annie.

So Fred and Nellie...who were their children?

They had four...Richard,. Bill, Frieda and another one..

Gilbert and Annie...they had a son Gilbert too, didn't they?

Yes, not Gilbert...George...Newey was her name...Annie Newey.

Nettie had Gilbert didn't she?

Yes, she had four...they were after Gilbert...the said if she didn't have him she'd have died...he was as big as a three month old baby...he was fourteen pounds.

They had a shop too, didn't they? Where was that?

They had two or three shops, one at Windsor, and one in Adelaide Street, and then Enoggera.. draper...

And did Nettie work there?

Yes, and she helped out...and she never got any pay, but she had to pay tax just the same.

You met Grandpa because he first went out with Nettie, before the war?

I was only fifteen...that's why I don't get the military pension because he didn't die at the war...he didn't lose a limb...therefore I didn't get anything.

When he came back from the war, was it that he came around to see Nettie?

He just came round to see the family.

Charlotte Drover, Sid Anderson and Queenie Drover before marriage

He was a chairmaker, what did he do before the war?

I don't remember...but I know when he came back from the war he was sent up the country...soldier's settlement at Stanthorpe...and none of there were...they were all kids that knew nothing of farming...the worst thing they could have done...they just prepared all the ground ready for the Italians...they walked in and got the lot and are making money out of it.

How much land was that?

I don't know....can't remember...but he got a house built for me....and I never lived in it and never saw it....and he was making a bay window and they said “Oh you can't have a chimney there it'll set fire...”...it wasn't a chimney, it was a bay window.

He went up after you got married?

Before.

And he dug a well up there by hand?

Yes, about 60 feet...beautiful water...he dug it with another man...and the other man used to sit with a shotgun to shoot anybody that took their water...cause he worked so hard getting it.

So you don't know exactly where that land was?

Wait a moment...was it Pozieres...they called it...a lot of places after the war.

After you got married, whereabouts did you live?

Sidney Victor Anderson, William Steedman Drover, Gilbert Drover, Charlotte Anderson 12 Jan 1921 Brisbane

Kangaroo Point, Morningside, West End and then West End again...I went and stayed with Mum after Daphne died...we stayed three years with her.

When was Daphne born?

1928...Paul was born in 1924...No I think she was 1924, cause we were married in 1921.

When was it that Daphne died?

When she was four or four and a half...in May I think she died...that was before cremation...bronchial pneumonia.

There's a photo of her and Paul in a chair that Grandpa made?

In a rocking chair.

Daphne Charlotte Anderson, Brisbane

You have told me before about things you did in the Depression...

Don't bring that up...nobody wants to know about that...

People don't know how hard things were...

That's right...They don't know and they don't care...

Whereabouts were you living during the Depression?

With Mum...and then after we moved...we sold some things and then got the money to move...that's where my engagement ring went to...and his signet ring and anything else we could lay our hands on...we got nine pounds for the lot...and we moved out to Herston...and we were there about seven years I think.

And did Grandpa have work during the Depression?

Oh, he had an odd...oh yes he worked...it cost us six shillings a week for the rent and we had to work it off...see we didn't pay money....I did the washing for the woman and ironing....and I did sewing...I made three little girls frocks in a day and all the mending as well and she asked me for change of two bob...and I never had change of a...she never gave and change...I had to walk over from Herston right to opposite the gas tanks used to be, way up there with Paul a little fella...then I had to walk home again and get the tea.

Tell me about when you lived and home and your Mother took in Boarders and there was a fire.

At Kelvin Grove...it was a double storey house we lived in and that's when we first went there...oh about three or four years after we were there I think, because Dad was out practising his orchestra in a hall in town and I was left home with this woman...she was an elderly lady...she said “I can't get the lamp to turn up”, and I went in and the flames were rising up out the chimney and I had the teatowel in my hand...and outside was like earth outside...and a tank...and I thought if I put the lamp down it'll burst if I put the tap on and I'll get my legs all...I was concerned about getting glass in my legs...so I bent down and got earth and filled it up with earth...but I had a job pulling it down...it was an extension one that went up and down...a lamp...and I put it out that way...and of course I innocently told Mum and Dad and they said you're not staying any more...you've got to come and do your homework with us...so that was that.

So she was a boarder?

No, Mum just let her a room...that was all...she had to for something to do when we first went there...must've been early in the piece when we went there that she did that...all the family was out...they were all in the orchestra you see...and I wouldn't hurry up...Nettie used to say if you hurry up I'll dry for you, and away she'd go...she had to go dancing of course...that was the end of me...I was left with all the dishes, but I used to push al the glasses with milk in at the back and egg that went down the side...and pushed them...and they got washed up on their own...cause it was all lamps in those days...you know...a tin lamp hanging on a nail on the wall...you couldn't see well at all...

How long was your father playing in the Orchestra?

Ever since he was a young man.

Can you remember what orchestra he was in here in Brisbane?

No, he had his own orchestra...and he fell off an open jetty, he only had one eye, wouldn't you have thought somebody would have taken his arm and helped him? Over he went, and hurt his back, and he had to go to hospital.

About his one eye...you said something about a snowball or something?

Well, I thought it was a snowball, but I've heard since it was something different, I don't know what it was. He had it removed anyway...Dr Taylor.

So when would that have happened? Here?...or?

I don't know, no idea. Might've been here, I'm not sure.

You also said one time about when they lived in Scotland, they used to have servants...

Oh yes!

How many would they have had?

One or two.

Just like a cook or something like that? And a housemaid? They must have been reasonably well off then.

Now before we were talking about the Depression, Mum was born after the Depression wasn't she?

Oh yes, we wouldn't have babies before then, we said it wasn't worth bringing them into the world.

So were you still living in the same house at Herston after the Depression?

No, I know we went over the bridge, you could see the bridge, it must have been Herston. I've got an idea we lived at Herston at two places, it must have only been one. It must have been near Mrs Brunts at Herston she was born, 'cause I remember sitting up in bed like this and watching people go along the road.

So Mum wasn't born in a hospital?

Yes she was born in Boothville Mother's Hospital, a Salvation Army home. And they said “Oh you'll be back” and I said 'Never!', I used to take a pillow to bed with me, and I put it down beside me, and the Doctor would come in and think I had the baby...hiding the baby...I had to show him I didn't have the baby.

It was your baby...

Oh no they took it away those times, between feeds.

Where did Mum go to school?

Kelvin Grove, and Paul went to Kelvin Grove school.

And they went there for all their schooling?

See we lived on the main road where the trams ran along, then Herston was down at the back of us (gives directions).

So how old would Uncle Paul have been then?

I don't know...about fourteen.

Would he have gone to work then?

He worked in the High School Shop I think, he used to carry on his bike, rows and rows of tyres...for a man...his place..ride here there and everywhere...he had a few jobs, he worked for the picture people... ??? Towers..???

And what year did he get married?

Don't know...fifties I think...

I thought he got married after Mum did...didn't he?

Oh yes, about twenty-eight he was. He might have been more. I used to know but I've forgotten.

And what was Val's name?

Valmai Mary Jordan

And there is only her and Ione?

No they've got a brother. He lives in Canberra. He drives the limousines around with the politicians in. He's got three boys...three sons...and he took them with him I think...and he got married again. After fifteen years he married this other woman.

I've never heard about him...

Reg.

Oh Yes

There was Ione and Reg and Val.

Now something about Grandpa's family, you said he had two sisters.

Yes, two sisters. They weren't older than him I don't think...they lived in Wales...

Would they have had other family?

Oh yes, Aunts and Uncles...in the aristocracy...carriages and all the rest of it. The Aunty in … she'd send her mother silver ???down her son

So that's Grandpa's sister's boyfriend?

Sid and Elsie Prosser, England

No, Grandpa's sister's son. His Nephew.

Beatrice Addenbrooke, Wolverhampton...so that was one of his sisters?

Beatrice Addenbrooke, Wolverhampton

No Cousins.

Loaded up with Jewellery wasn't she?

Yes, and that was his sister and that boy.

Was there somebody else in the family call Sidney?

I think her boy was called Sidney.

Marjery?

Yes Margery Addenbrooke.

And that was his sister and her husband. Mr and Mrs Prosser...and the boy...21...he died the same illness as the King. Elsie and May they were.

Aunty Jumbo, England

Aunty Jumbo...the one that fell down and broke her neck. She was going to send some silver things. She sent some of these photos otherwise we wouldn't have got them. She wanted them sent back, and she never got them.

Was she a direct Aunty of Grandpa? On his mother's side or his father's side?

I don't know...his mother's side I suppose...I don't know...aristocratic...you know, quality people.

And whereabouts did she live?

In England.